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Subject: [CH] Chile-Heads Digest V5 #286
Chile-Heads Digest Thursday, April 8 1999 Volume 05 : Number 286
In this issue:
[CH] General appeal
[CH] (Fwd) Emeril Strikes
[CH] New Seeds
Re: [CH] Raised bed/minor rant
Re: [CH] Pot size
Re: [CH] Chiltepins in peat conatiners
[CH] Raised Beds
[CH] Shopping Spree at H.E.B.
[CH] Zippered Top Bags (by request)
[CH] Wood prep for chile gardens
[CH] Epsom salt
RE: [CH] Raised Beds
Re: [CH] Satanic chemicals
Re: [CH] (Fwd) Emeril Strikes
[CH] Petite Plastic zip locks for seeds
[CH] (no subject)
Re: [CH] Pot size
[CH] Emeril's Essence
[CH] Emeril Strikes
[CH] Paris...Here I Come!
[CH] Tobacco=TMV
Re: [CH] Chiltepins in peat conatiners
Re: [CH] (Fwd) Emeril Strikes
Re: [CH] Raised bed/minor rant
[CH] cheap seed start
[CH] Raised beds, MG
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:23:19 +0200
From: "marxman" <marxman@skynet.be>
Subject: [CH] General appeal
Hi there folks, Diane here, been lurking on and off for a while now...
Warning! Somewhat off topic posting!
I work in an asylum center in the greater Antwerp area of Belgium. One
of our longest standing volunteer workers is also a member of an action
group for children in White Russia that are Chernobyl victims. One of the
actions they do on a regular basis is to collect food, clothing, medicine,
toys, etc. for the families and make a "wagon train" of a few trucks,
delivering these to the families of the affected kids. One of the things
they also collect is seeds, last year they managed to get a nice load of a
few pallets of outdated but still viable vegetable seeds. This year they're
at it again, and I've been asked if the Chiliheads would be interested in
sending any of their extra stock to assist in this worthwhile effort.
There's no drop dead date for the donations of seed as they make several
trips a year. This is a legit organisation, I'll be able to post the web
page address for the parent organisation in a day or two to anyone
interested. The address for sending donations is:
Willy BEECKMANS
Kazerneweg 3
2650 Kapellen
Belgium
They are NOT asking for money! I'm happy to send a translated copy (from
Dutch) of the general letter from the organisation's Antwerp branch. Thanks
in advance for listening, I realise this is not specifically a chili related
posting but with the new seeds for the season coming in, maybe the best
place for the old stock is the needy gardens of White Russia.
Regards and thanks from Diane Cavallero and the Pleegouders Actie voor
Tchernobyl
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:11:20 +0000
From: "Celeste or Dave Anderson" <Gtoughchile@mail.greatbasin.net>
Subject: [CH] (Fwd) Emeril Strikes
When the Kings-Lakers game did not get televised as advertised, I
watched Emeril Lagasse tonight. The show was about Chilies
(misspelled), but he really had some nifty recipes and a great spread
of Habaneros on the front shelf.
I don't know when the show may come back on, but the recipes should
be available at: http://foodtv.com
.
Dave Anderson
Tough Love Chile Co.
http://www.tough-love.com
e-mail Chilehead@tough-love.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 05:49:02 -0400
From: "Glenn Murphy" <gdmurphy@qis.net>
Subject: [CH] New Seeds
Hello everybody,
Wanted to let you know I just received 12 seed packets from the
University of Georgia, Plant Genetic Resources Conservation Unit. Someone,
sorry, put the link in a previous digest and I requested, online, some seed.
Wow, what a surprise. I received seeds from Colombia, Peru, Costa Rica,
Bolivia, Brazil, Spain, Ethiopia, Turkey and China. Awesome. I will be
planting soon.
Stay hot,
Glenn
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:03:51 -0400
From: Robert Farr <rbfarr@erols.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Raised bed/minor rant
Organic Gardening magazine has done extensive research into the use of
PR wood - and proved that it is highly toxic.
Food plants should NOT be planted in raised beds made using PT wood.
Arsenic levels are more than SEVENTY times those considered safe by the
EPA.
Seems as though the arsenic immediately begins leaching into the
surrounding soil.
OG also recommends not buying swing sets made of PT wood, as your
children will get the arsenic on their hands, which end up in their
mouths, etc., etc., etc.
For those wanting the whole story, contact OG. They sell the
compilation of their research for a small fee.
Robert.
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:25:22 EST5EDT
From: "Jeff Chandler" <chandlerj@gactr.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: [CH] Pot size
>Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 21:44:05 -0500
>From: Wallace <wcarey@traveller.com>
>Subject: [CH] Pot size
>
>Ok, I'm going to try and grow my first peppers. Got the seeds germinating
>and need to know what size pot I should use for Cascabel and Habanero
>plants after they have germinated and are ready to transplant. And how
>many plants should I put in each pot?
>From my personal experience growing Habs in a pot, I'd use the
largest pot I could find and plant only one. You could probably put
in two (offset from the center of the pot), but you risk having them
become root bound (especially if you over-winter them a season or
two) and not developing as many peppers. YMMV
Jeff Chandler,
Computer Services
Georgia Center for Continuing Education
The University of Georgia
email: chandlerj@gactr.uga.edu
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:55:30 +0000
From: Jim Campbell <jim@wildpepper.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Chiltepins in peat conatiners
I'll be growing tepins for the first time this year. The greenhouse I
used just started a couple of hundred of them for me & reported no
problems with germination whatsoever. 'Course they've been sprouting
seeds for about 40 years now....
- -Jim C
MWPH
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:42:45 -0400
From: "Byron.Bromley" <Byron.Bromley@Gsd-Co.Com>
Subject: [CH] Raised Beds
FWIW Dept
If you live in an area where there is a lot of rocks, build your
raised beds with rocks The Pilgrims did and they are still in use.
Pressure Treated Lumber.
Buy what you need, Allow to air dry for at least 3 months in
summer. Apply at least 3 coats of a real good exterior house paint.
When cutting this stuff wear a real good particle mask and gloves
The cheap throw away mask are not good enough. There are quite
a few decking carpenters around here dieing of Aresenic poisoning
Cement Blocks AKA Cement Masonary Units.
Use a plastic liner between inside of block a garden soil,
This will have a lime leaching.
Creosote RR Ties.
Use some plastic about the same material as a pool liner between
the inside of your frame and growing soil.
>From the Equine Industry.
There is a fiberglass "Fencing Board" that could be used.
This stuff is brittle when cold.
Tips from a flat bed gardener.
Byron
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 08:33:56 -0500
From: Calvin Donaghey <gdonaghey@bitstreet.com>
Subject: [CH] Shopping Spree at H.E.B.
Hello All-
My lovely wife, always looking out for me, came home from our local HEB
market with a jar of Dave's Gourmet Insanity Salsa. First time ever
seen in Abilene. It really is quite good, and significantly warm. The
books call it gustatory perspiration (or something like that) but the
phrase "sweating like a mountain pack mule" actually comes to mind. The
ingredients are listed as tomato sauce, onions, Red Savina Chiles,
Habanero Chiles, Pineapple juice, Thai chiles, garlic, cilantro, spices,
salt. (NO VINEGAR!!!!) For a 12 ounce jar it was $3.67. Unfortunately,
there were only 2 jars on the shelf. My first contact with Dave's
(another product) wasn't too favorable, but this is pretty good.
Another flavorful one available here is "Talk of the Town", at about the
same price but not nearly as hot. I recommend both products if you
prefer salsa without vinegar.
Calvin
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:34:58 EDT
From: GarryMass@aol.com
Subject: [CH] Zippered Top Bags (by request)
Fellow ChD's,
I found a supplier (no affiliation) on the web who sells 2mil and 4mil small
baggies for sending each other chile seeds and chile powders. Some are 2x2"
2mil, some 2.5x3" 4mil , etc.,
$9.25 for 1000 2mil, about $18 for 1000 4mil.
<A HREF="http://www.dancoindustries.com/p1.htm">Click here: Zippered Top
Reclosable Bags
</A>
email: danco@dancoindustries.com
fax: 413.568.6308
I'm driving over there to get some today.
Gareth the ChileKnight
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:26:00 -0500
From: "Parkhurst, Scott Contractor" <PARKHURS@LEAV-EMH1.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: [CH] Wood prep for chile gardens
>Pressure Treated Lumber.
> Buy what you need, Allow to air dry for at least 3 months in
>summer. Apply at least 3 coats of a real good exterior house paint.
I'm guessing I should avoid lead based paint? (Lots of mysterious paint
cans came with the house...never got around to proper disposal.)
Any preference for oil or latex base? Oil is harder to clean up and
takes longer to dry. But we all know what latex is used for, and I do want
my chiles to get fertilized.
Scott... K nu CK ledraggin'
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:07:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Charles Nicholson <southpaw@yahoo.com>
Subject: [CH] Epsom salt
I was just wondering what concentration I should make the solution when
using Epsom salt for a spray.
thanks,
Chuck Nicholson
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:30:06 -0500
From: "Goslowsky, George" <gjgoslow@ingr.com>
Subject: RE: [CH] Raised Beds
Would another name for raised beds be bunk-er beds?
George J. Goslowsky
Monk of the TCS
Holder of Fire
Run to light from shadow, Sun gives me no rest
Promise offered in the East, broken in the West
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 08:30:48 -0400
From: =Mark <mstevens@exit109.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Satanic chemicals
At 09:26 PM 4/7/99 GMT, Rain wrote:
>-> Golly gee. I've combined organic methods with petrochemical assists for
>-> thirty-five years. No one's unhealthy at my house and we depend on the
>-> garden for most (in season) fresh vegetables.
>x
>Right on. If chemical fertilizers used correctly (and that does usually
>mean lightly) are so inadmissable, how come my grandmother fed a family
I've recently read reports of cases of food poisoning from organically
grown veggies as the result of improper use of manure as fertilizer. I
guess any method of food production can have benefits and hazards depending
on how carefully they are used.
=Mark "Runs With Scissors" Stevens
@ http://www.exit109.com/~mstevens @
@ ICQ# 2059548 @
Where ya' from?
Jersey.
Yeah? What exit?
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:41:40 -0500
From: "Jonathan T. Smillie" <jsmillie@protix.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] (Fwd) Emeril Strikes
Chile-Heads:
I followed the link to www.foodtv.com and took a look at some of the
recipes from the "Hot, Hot Chiles" show- they look pretty good (aside from
the ever-present "Season with Essence" five or six times in a recipe- can
you say "unsubtle marketing"?) However, I was pretty impressed to see that
the Fire-Roasted Corn and Tomato Salsa calls for "1 teaspoon minced
Habanero peppers", considering that these recipes are aimed at a pretty
mass-market audience with, on the whole, a lesser heat tolerance than we
the Elect of El Grande. Curious, too, that there are no warnings, etc.
about handling habs or other chiles - maybe these were included in the show
and just aren't part of the transcripts.
Just an observation,
Jonathan
==============================
Jonathan Smillie
Installation & Training Team Manager
ProTix, Inc.
jsmillie@protix.com / www.protix.com
==============================
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:05:29 EDT
From: Shantihhh@aol.com
Subject: [CH] Petite Plastic zip locks for seeds
They are available in various qty packs at craft stores, like Michael's.
They are often in the "beads" section. Cost=cheap 1000/$5.00 or so depending
on size
Mary-Anne
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:08:33 EDT
From: CThoring@aol.com
Subject: [CH] (no subject)
Please remove my name from your list. Thank you
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:57:55 -0400
From: Suzanne <suz@avana.net>
Subject: Re: [CH] Pot size
Leave it to a UGA guy to be so unspecific (joking, just joking!). I'd use
about a five gallon pot per plant and not put more than one plant per pot.
Depending on your location/weather, you may want a dark colored pot to
increase the soil temp. Personally, here in GA, it would probably end up
cooking the roots. If you are into inexpensive gardening, stop by a local
restaurant and ask for their old pickle buckets, add some drainage holes in
the bottom and go to it.
Good luck!
Suz
(GA Tech alum and student :^) )
>From my personal experience growing Habs in a pot, I'd use the
>largest pot I could find and plant only one. You could probably put
>in two (offset from the center of the pot), but you risk having them
>become root bound (especially if you over-winter them a season or
>two) and not developing as many peppers. YMMV
>
>Jeff Chandler,
>Computer Services
>Georgia Center for Continuing Education
>The University of Georgia
>email: chandlerj@gactr.uga.edu
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:37:51 +0000
From: "Celeste or Dave Anderson" <Gtoughchile@mail.greatbasin.net>
Subject: [CH] Emeril's Essence
There were warnings about using gloves although Emeril and I never
do.
I make "Essence" all the time. Here's the recipe:
2 1/2 tsp paprika
2 tbs salt
2 tbs garlic powder
1 tbs black pepper
1 tbs garlic powder
1 tbs cayenne pepper
1 tbs dried oregeno
1 tbs dried thyme
Combine all ingredients and store in an airtight container.
Great for "blackened" steaks or seafood.
> I followed the link to www.foodtv.com and took a look at some of the
> recipes from the "Hot, Hot Chiles" show- they look pretty good (aside from
> the ever-present "Season with Essence" five or six times in a recipe- can
> you say "unsubtle marketing"?) However, I was pretty impressed to see that
> the Fire-Roasted Corn and Tomato Salsa calls for "1 teaspoon minced
> Habanero peppers", considering that these recipes are aimed at a pretty
> mass-market audience with, on the whole, a lesser heat tolerance than we
> the Elect of El Grande. Curious, too, that there are no warnings, etc.
> about handling habs or other chiles - maybe these were included in the show
> and just aren't part of the transcripts.
Dave Anderson
Tough Love Chile Co.
http://www.tough-love.com
e-mail Chilehead@tough-love.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:51:00 -0500
From: "Parkhurst, Scott Contractor" <PARKHURS@LEAV-EMH1.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: [CH] Emeril Strikes
> Curious, too, that there are no warnings, etc.
>about handling habs or other chiles - maybe these were included in the show
>and just aren't part of the transcripts.
Yes, the warnings were in the show. Emeril mentioned using surgical-type
gloves and then threw them away to work bare-handed.
Scott... KCK
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:00:52 EDT
From: ChefChile@aol.com
Subject: [CH] Paris...Here I Come!
Well it seems that it must be that time again. Time when the company wants
me to go and make a fool of myself (like I don't do that everyday) in yet
another opening for Rainforest Cafe. This time it will be in Paris, France
of course.
So I don't speak French. Understand it even less. Couldn't read it if I
tried. I'll have a good time anyhow.
Does anyone know of any ChileHead points of interest in and around Paris?
You know...Restaurants, Cafes, Shops, Monuments to El Grande, or maybe just
some of the sights many mortals seem to be interested in. Naturally I'm
interested in the culinary aspects of this trip, so if anyone knows of a
cooking school that I could at least visit that would be cool too.
If there are any ChileHeads in France or around Paris I'd be more than happy
to meet up with you. I'll be posting all of the pertinent information as I
receive it. I believe the restaurant is opening in the EuroDisney Park, but
I'm really not sure.
Talk with you all later.
Yours in Flavor
John "ChefChile" Whalen
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:16:19 RSA-2
From: Peter Moss <pmoss@yoda.alt.za>
Subject: [CH] Tobacco=TMV
> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:11:42 -0400
> From: "Byron.Bromley" <Byron.Bromley@Gsd-Co.Com>
> I have had 2 different chemists and a USDA County Agent tell
> me that because of the surfagents in the dishsoap and the
> ethanol in the mouthwash that the odds againts TMV are out of
> sight.
I would rather believe someone that works with and deals with
viruses all day. ;-)
> I also find 99% of the writing on TMV, says "Smokers should
> wash hands". I can not find one case where tobacco chewers,
> snuff dippers or tobacco handlers was written.
The percentages of other uses are so much lower. But if you
believe that there is a difference in the tobacco used by
chewers... then what is it and why should this tobacco be
unaffected?
> Two people on this list tell me any raw tobacco can spread TMV,
You can add Dr. P. Bosland to that list.
I quote. "To help protect plants against tobacco mosaic virus,
avoid using tobacco in any form." The Pepper Garden, p141
> I have used this formula for 5 years, And know of someone
> that has used it for 15 years, with no problems.
Then it may well be true that the other ingredients kill the
virus and your plants are not infected. However there is a real
danger of infecting plants with TMV or any of the other tobacco
viruses with the use of tobacco products. Even more so if the
tobacco product is raw.
> All this "Junior Chemist" can do is weight the pros and cons.
> I would rather use this than Diazinon or Sevin.
Yep ;-) but letting them know of the dangers of using a product
you recommend is also important. There are just as many
recipes for bug killers that use tobacco products that may not
be safe. Someone remembering your use of tobacco may even
be tempted to cover his plants in tobacco dust or use tobacco
in a raw form.
There are no known viricides that control plant viruses.
The Pepper Garden advises washing hands with soap and water,
rubbing alcohol or milk before handling plants.
I guess when they say "wash hands" think of a surgeon scrubbing
up. The wash in both cases is for the same reason.
Peter
- -- Peter Moss
"Well, let's just say, 'if your VCR is still blinking 12:00, you
don't want Linux'". - Bruce Perens
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:39:32 -0400
From: Uncel Steve <snearman@erols.com>
Subject: Re: [CH] Chiltepins in peat conatiners
For several years we used Jiffy-pellets to start seeds. Think they were about
5-6 cents each. Just drop a seed in the dimple and water until they swell up.
These were set in clear domed flats under fluorescent lights. When seed were up
removed lids. After second set of true leaves transplanted into 3 inch peat
pots. Each flat lid and base holds 18, 3 inch square peat pots. Easy to monitor
water, if the pot shell is damp - no water, if dry - add about 1/2 quart to
tray to be absorbed into bottom of peat pots.
Only thing we do different now is we have switched to starting in 40 cell
Styrofoam "Propamatic" seed start trays (about $9.00). With a little care can
be used for many years. Cuts the cost of all those Jiffy-pellets.
Tip: Remove at least the top third of the peat pot when setting in garden. If
pot sticks up it acts like a wick to draw water away from plant.
On the other subject; I don't condemn those who use chemicals, nor say that
organic is the "only way". The problem as I see it, is that prolonged use of
just chemical fertilizer makes one dependent on them. Once you have used up
what the soil has to offer you need to put back in something if you want good
crops. Chemical fertilizer do work, but without the addition of organic mater
the soil compacts and loses the natural "good stuff" that fights bugs and
decease. So then you need to use a lot more pesticides also.
Most of the Eastern United States has been farmed for over 200 years. The soil
is depleted and all commercial farmers I know use a lot of chemical fertilizers
or they would not get a crop. They are more concerned about the amount and
timing of rain. Many people who try "100% organic" methods in their garden give
up, "It just doesn't work" they say. It can take 3-8 years to rebuild soil that
is in poor condition. Don't expect a miracle from organic gardening in one
season. You will still need to use chemical fertilizer and pesticides during
this time while you add back to the soil more than you take out each year.
For me, the point of organic gardening in to cut expenses and save time. The
less time I spend picking and spraying bugs the more time I have to pick fruit.
The less I spend on chemical fertilizer and pesticide the more I have to buy
seed. I not overly concerned about poisoning my self with bug spray or
ingesting chemical fertilizer. Just follow the recommended use. Bottom line,
balance is the key to success in any thing! Don't let the pendulum swing to far
in one direction and get stuck there. Chemicals are beneficial if used
properly, but working to build your soil condition is too.
Steve
=======================================================
Uncle Steve's HOT Stuff - Come play the "Chile Game"
http://hotchiles.wildspices.com/
=======================================================
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:56:51 -0500
From: Dave Drum <xrated@cityscape.net>
Subject: Re: [CH] (Fwd) Emeril Strikes
> I followed the link to www.foodtv.com and took a look at some of the
> recipes from the "Hot, Hot Chiles" show- they look pretty good (aside from
> the ever-present "Season with Essence" five or six times in a recipe- can
> you say "unsubtle marketing"?) However, I was pretty impressed to see that
> the Fire-Roasted Corn and Tomato Salsa calls for "1 teaspoon minced
> Habanero peppers", considering that these recipes are aimed at a pretty
> mass-market audience with, on the whole, a lesser heat tolerance than we
> the Elect of El Grande. Curious, too, that there are no warnings, etc.
> about handling habs or other chiles - maybe these were included in the show
> and just aren't part of the transcripts.
Emeril uses a lot of "Essence". It's sort of his trade mark along with
the "BAM" each time he kicks it up a notch. But, his formula for
Essence, Southwest Seasoning and Rustic Rub are always on the Food-TV
receipe page. So those into saving the odd farthing over convenience
can make up their own.
I'd post the mixes - but, last time I posted some reciepes I set off a
howling wind of political correctness from New England. <G> 'Sides,
someone else will likely post the stuff anyway.
ENJOY!!!
- --
Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchens
Home of Yaaaah Hoooo Aaahhh HOT Sauce & Hardin Cider
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:57:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dave Sacerdote <davesas@ntplx.net>
Subject: Re: [CH] Raised bed/minor rant
>Organic Gardening magazine has done extensive research into the use of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>PR wood - and proved that it is highly toxic.
Yeah, like THEY haven't got their own agenda. This thread is going into my
twit filter; it's got nothing to do with the subject of chiles.
===
Dave Sacerdote
davesas@ntplx.net
Resist or Serve.
"I am so mighty, I do not have to kill you all." -- Flaming Carrot
Visit Dave's New England Almanac at http://www.ntplx.net/~davesas/
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:21:18 -0400
From: "Byron.Bromley" <Byron.Bromley@Gsd-Co.Com>
Subject: [CH] cheap seed start
FWIW dept on seed start
I use speed trays, These are slotted trays about 1 in wide and about 1 1/2
in deep. I bought 2 sets 1 set I cut in 1/2 and bought some 1/2 size trays
for these to fit in. The 1/2 size trays are great for starting less than
100 seeds
at a time. I bought 3 1/2 sized trays, so I could use 1 to fill with water
so I could water from bottom. 1/2 size tray's also fit in my kitchen sink.
The advantage of the full tray is I can start 200 seeds at a time on a
heat mat.
with 1 in spacing. You can use a little as 1 slot if desired. This method
cut my purchase of seed starting medium from 64 qts to 8 qts.
I use Peters sterile seed starting medium. Any similar type will do. It's
this type is most readily available in my area.
As soon as the seeds start to break soil, I transplant into 3 1/2 in
dia by 4 in deep newspaper pots. Using a potting soil with minor
fertilizer.
.09 .06 .05
For my newspaper pots, I place them on a double layer of the grated
trays which fit on top of a water proof tray. With the 3 1/2 in dia pots I
can
get 18 plants per tray. This allows for some drainage in case of over
watering.
I use only B&W newspaper, colored print takes 2 years to rot down. If you
have to buy newspaper to make pots with the Wall St. Journal is
your best investment, Least amount of colored print.
As far a Jiffy products go, I have tried Jiffy 7's, Jiffy 9's, Super
Jiffy's
and Jiffy pots and Jiffy mix
My own use, I found that Jiffy 7's, The netting is supoosed to rot down
I didn't in my soil, Jiffy 9s fell apart while trying to transplant, Super
Jiffs were a B---- to water, If you try to water from the top, the bottom
never
got wet, If you try to water from the bottom the top never got wet.The only
way to get these totally moist was to take a seperate pot, fill it with
water
and let each one soak for about 15 min.
Jiffy mix is sold as a sterile medium, why do I have weeds and mushrooms
growing in it. I don't have that problem with Peter Sterile potting soil.
My seeds did not seem to germinate as well using Jiffy's as with
Peters.
Jiffy pots, I can never get them to rot down like advertised. I finaly
just tore them apart.
This is only 1 mans experience, the choice is yours.
If you want to learn more about newspaper pots, contact my direct
and I will send my methods.Or read The New Starters Handbook by
Nancy Bubel
I want to add, I agree with Gary, Send your idea's, that I don't mind
Just don't tell me I have to do it your way.
Just an example, The growers east of the Rockies and west of the
Appalachians and North of the Texas panhandle have a lot less bugs to
deal with than we do on the East coast. I am in process of compling that
list.
Here is just one example accordiing to Rodales, Greenhouse Whitefilies
are NOT listed for Idaho, North Dakota, MIs, KA. and Yankeeland of Texas
But a couple hunderd of these B------- will kill a pepper plant in the
Northeast.
And Rodales list using tobacco to kill them.
Done rantin' for now
Byron
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:15:46 -0700
From: Wilson <paul@skyzot.org>
Subject: [CH] Raised beds, MG
> And somebody writ about "Miracle-Gro", and someone writ about 2x10
>boards. OK Guys, if you don't mind poisoning your soil with chemical
>fertilizers (which leave residual salts in the soil)
>>OK, maybe it's just me, but I get tired of hearing how chemicals are
>>evil, that users of chems are somehow "substandard" individuals and
probably
>>related to Satan.
I shoulda floated to the top of the tank years ago. I use Miracle Gro, and
treated wood for my
grow boxes. Been doin it for 30 years or so. I would put my plants up
against just about any
for yield, heat, taste and healthy plants.
Paul
A chile pepper will never steal your car. Still
lookin' for the ass kickin' pepper I can't eat.
San Jose, California
mailto:Paul@skyzot.org
http://www.skyzot.org
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