Try Janie Lamson, Cross Country Nursery, janie@chileplants.com. Also Susan Byers, the Chile Woman - don't have her e-mail, but she's on the list. Good luck! We picked around 20,000 Red Savinas last year - whooooo! -- Robert Farr (540) 668-7160 Check out http://www.chileman.com for ALL Natural Cooking & Grilling Sauces!