Dave, I have now imported several chinenses from India, the Bih Jolokia, the Bhut Jolokia, the Naga Moresh, the raja mirchi and the Nagahari, and you can keep saying it until you are blue in the face, but it's the same pepper, grown in different areas. I have also found it under many more names. Same pepper. It is my understanding that Dr. Bosland got his Bhut Jolokia from the same place I got mine, and they are the same place that the Indian scientists got theirs. Frontal Agri-tech. Okay... tell you what, since there really is not going to be a meeting of the minds on this, because you think they are two different peppers... try answering this question... For 7 years, Dr. Bosland and Dave DeWitt have maintained that no 800,000 SHU frutescens could possibly exist perpetuating the suggestion that the Indians cheated on their HPLC tests. In the meantime, Dr. Bosland has been growing, according to him a pepper that turns out to score 1,000,000 SHU and it's a frutescens in all these past five-six years he's not once had an inkling that test growing this pepper would prove what the Indian scientists published. And never mind that... why is what I think of Dr. Bosland so important to you? After all, who am I but some pissant little nobody who dares to question the supreme being? You know, this whole thing just slays me... somebody bashes the Garcias for their Savina record, even going so far as to insinuate that THEY cheated on their Guinness record. Someone suggests, whatever it was that they were insinuating about the Michauds and their intent to register the Naga Dorset... But God forbid I should question the good Doctor? Why is he sacrosant? Pardon me if I sense a little one-sidedness here. T --- Dave Drum <dirty_dave@chillicooks.org> wrote: > Tina Brooks wrote: > > > No Dave, I don't know what they know. That's why I > > raised the question. > > > As for tilting at windmills... Why pick up the > > gauntlet to argue the point with me, if you don't > know > > the answer yourself? > > Mostly because y'all are hacking and slashing away > at this thing like > it is all one chile being in play when IN FACT it is > about two > different chilies - which I have stated here several > times. > > Treating the NAGA Jolika and BHUT Jolika as the same > pepper is akin to > calling a Red Savina the same as a Scotch Bonnet or > Gustoso ... on the > basic that they sorta look the same and come from > nearly the same ... > Well, surely you can see what I mean. > > The reason I "picked up the gauntlet" as you put it > is because this > whole thing is a non-issue once you understand that > we're talking > about those different chilies. This whole exercise > on my part has been > an effort to get you to recognise and understand > that. And to quit > slamming Bosland over something that you don't > understand - i.e. that > the two chilies are different > > It makes no difference whether Dr. Bosland dissed > the NAGA Jolika all > those winters ago. The FACT is that the BHUT Jolika > holds the Guinness > Record as World's Hottest - at over 1 Million > Scoville Heat Units. > IIRC the NAGA Jolika was claimed to be in the 850 to > 900 thousand SHU > range. I could be wrong on that exact number as I am > an oldish man and > my memory sometimes plays tricks on me. But, that is > the number that > sticks in my head. And, my mouth likely wouldn't > notice the difference > between 900,000 and 1,000,000 SHU any more than my > sweaty arse notices > the difference between 100oF and 110oF on a summer's > day. It's just > bloody hot. > > Personally, the wonder of the whole thing is that > the denizens of the > sub-continent managed a cross between C. Chinense > and C. Frutescens > when conventional wisdom says that such do not and > can not occur. > Apparently conventional wisdom was wrong. > > -- > ENJOY!!! > -------- > UNCLE DIRTY DAVE'S KITCHEN -- > Home of Yaaaaa Hooooo Aaahhh!!! HOT SAUCE and Hardin > Cider > > War has all the characteristics of a socialism most > conservatives > hate: Centralized power, state planning, false > rationalism, restricted > liberties, foolish optimism about intended results > and blindness to > unintended secondary results. -- JOSEPH SOBRAN > (1991) > ===== Tina Brooks VP Marketing, Peppermaster Hot Sauces www.peppermaster.com Brooks Pepperfire Foods Inc. Phone: (514) 393-3430 26 St. Jean Baptiste, East Rigaud, Quebec, Canada J0P 1P0 Network with me on www.gourmetbusinessforum.com -- The premier online business community for food professionals