IMHO, MSN groups are very difficult to navigate...or perhaps it's because I'm far more familiar with Yahoogroups. Yes, Yahoo hiccups quite often and can be unpredictable but they are very user friendly with an easy to access file section, calendar and lots more features. They no longer have a chat function; can't remember why they said they removed it but probably due to abuse. Just my two cents, which is often worth considerably less. SandyO CH #1146, Grand Poobah of the Moderate Corps