It has been my personal experience that although Botulism is as rare as it is, one glaring thought comes to mind... I'd rather never have to experience it. Truth be told though... wrinkles are a sign of experience. :) T ===== Tina Brooks VP Marketing, Peppermaster Hot Sauces <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.peppermaster.com">www.peppermaster.com> </a>Brooks Pepperfire Foods Inc. <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.pepperfire.ca">www.pepperfire.ca</a> Phone: (514) 393-3430 26 St. Jean Baptiste, East Rigaud, Quebec, Canada J0P 1P0 Network with me on <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.gourmetbusinessforum.com/">www.gourmetbusinessforum.com</a> -- The premier online business community for food professionals <em><font color="#ff0000">Many persons have a wrong idea of what constitutes true happiness. It is not attained through self-gratification but through fidelity to a worthy purpose.</font> <font color="#4040ff">Helen Keller</font></em> ----- Original Message ---- From: Cameron <PheasantPlucker@columbus.rr.com> To: Tina Brooks <shoestring_louise@yahoo.com>; chile Heads <chile-heads@globalgarden.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 8:30:00 PM Subject: [CH] re: Botulism (retry) Hi C-H's and Tina, At 10:58 AM -0800 2/12/08, Tina Brooks wrote: >The problem with the process you describe is that the >spores could be > in the air, in the clean jar, in the container you >use to pour it into > the jars, the ladle could be contaminated, etc... you >get the idea. Correctissimo! A few more points to consider however: 1 Botulism is pretty rare, and using my method, contracting it would be nearly impossible. 2 The sealed jars are stored in the fridge, so bacterial growth would be slow. 3 The bacteria themselves are not harmful to adults. 4 The toxin is destroyed by boiling, and since in almost all cases the stock is going back into the pressure cooker, the risks are extremely low. Eating the stock raw out of the jar would be less clever but still very low risk. Injecting it into my face might get rid of a few wrinkles! -- -- Regards, Cameron