Guess I've got to weigh in on this one, usually I just lurk and watch the fire. Today, I feel in a mood to fan the fire ;-) There are a lot of good mass marketed products out there. What makes them good is working to keep good quality and staying true to purpose. What would, in my mind, cause them to become evil is the cheapening of the product with things artificial. Someone earlier mentioned artificial smoke flavor. That is the type of thing that is an unacceptable concession to mass marketing. And here is where I invite the flames. I don't have a problem with the TAM Jalapeno. I only eat them (or their genetic cousins) when I buy Jalapenos at places other than the Hispanic groceries and get them by accident. Still, there are people who like them and they have brought in many, perhaps millions of, people as members of the moderate corps. I would much rather have a traditionally smoked TAM Jalapeno (TAM Chipotle) and add some of Jim's Red Savina for heat than have a traditional Jalapeno with artificial smoke flavor and wish it tasted good. And to descend further toward the flames: In the sixties the noted segregationist, George Wallace, said that there isn't a dimes worth of difference between the two major parties. That is still basically true today. Despite what they say, both parties spend our tax dollars like drunken sailors. The Republicans say that they cut taxes, and they do. I've seen it in single digit numbers on my paychecks. They just put their spending on the National Mastercard. Then the Democrats come in and raise taxes to pay off the bill. Then the Republicans come back with the Mastercard and the beat goes on. I once worked with a guy who said that we never vote "for" anyone in an election. We vote against the politician that we do not like, because we can't trust any of them to do what they say. Let the flames begin, Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-chile-heads@globalgarden.com [mailto:owner-chile-heads@globalgarden.com] On Behalf Of jim@wildpepper.com Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:49 AM To: Rael64 Cc: Chile Heads Subject: Re: [CH] Faux Chipotle I *knew* without even opening it that it was going to be a rant from Rael :-) I grinned as soon as I saw the sender, knowing it was 'soap box' time! Here's a couple of points for general discussion.... At what point does a small manufacturer cross over to "evil corporate mass marketer type"? I enjoy a certain amount of good will and have a decent reputation (I think ;-) but my goal is, as a business, to make my Chipotle Sauce the number one seller in the world. At what point in that goal do I go from 'artisinal maker' to 'mass marketer' and from good to evil? Since the formula and taste of the sauce doesn't change, where is the crime committed that takes it from acceptable to being railed against? Or should I say 'rael-ed against'? :-P What drives the change in perception? Can the point not also be made, that by 'dumbing down' some of this stuff, that we are in fact converting legions of people to the CH side who otherwise would not have dared? We've talked about Tabasco as a common gateway drug for most of us into the CH world, for good or ill, so why is this any different? People will try the 'faux chipolte' and I suspect a good many of them will then want to experiment further having discovered that chiles have flavor and not just heat. How many of us would be here if Tabasco were as hot as Dave's? I also suspect a good number of the folks will be drawn further into the CH world *because* they recognize this as 'faux chipotle' and are left unsatisfied. This ever increasing drive to sameness and blandness is on an exponetial curve at the moment. The government, in all it's benificance, has implemented yet another sweeping set of food regs that are going to drive most all small manufaturers out of business if rigidly enforced. I myself have never been so close to 'chucking it all' at the frustration of trying to keep up with all the expensive (!!) and mind-numbing changes. It's just not worth my while. And I'm far from alone in that! Several other folks you know and love as sauce makers are near the breaking point as well. As more and more of us go out of biz at the hands of the gov, your choices as consumers will become less and less- better get used to faux chipolte ;-) Oh, and before fingers start getting pointed left and right.... The single biggest beaurocratic increase came (surprise!) in the Clinton Admin. If nothing else, he would have been remembered as the 'food safety pres' for the sheer volume of new regulations enacted. The setting of them into stone, with the force and full power of law enformcement behind them, came in under the Bush Admin with the Bio-terrorism/Food Safety Act. I hear Dems rael against "big oil" & "big tobacco" & "big business" but the worst of the 'bigs' is one they're in bed with and the most dangerous of all- "Big Government"! I hear Repubs give lip service about how little businesses are the engine driving economic expansion yet I see danged little evidence from them that they truly believe that. And since both are just as complicit as the other at getting us to our present state, the finger can only be pointed at the people that put them there and that would be us. Group hug now.... :-) -Jim http://www.StepUpforCharity.org