My apologies to anyone, Jim G specifically if my allusion was that all of the maladies I mentioned were only caused by food choices. They aren't entirely the reason for the increases in these maladies, and any scientist who is actually more edumacated than dumb ol' Grunt Cakes here, will tell you that there are other implicating factors. Some of them will be genetic. As for not bleaching sugar... If you are buying white refined sugar it may have been bleached with sulfur dioxide. I did Google it Dave, perhaps I should have done so before you got so uppity? Poor Marilyn wouldn't have had to point out your unnecessary bad manners. That's my childish uneducated flame for the day... I'm done with this conversation. Geesh ===== Tina Brooks VP Marketing, Peppermaster Hot Sauces <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.peppermaster.com">www.peppermaster.com </a>Brooks Pepperfire Foods Inc. <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.pepperfire.ca">www.pepperfire.ca</a> Phone: (514) 393-3430 26 St. Jean Baptiste, East Rigaud, Quebec, Canada J0P 1P0 Network with me on <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.gourmetbusinessforum.com/">www.gourmetbusinessforum.com</a> -- The premier online business community for food professionals <em><font color="#ff0000">Many persons have a wrong idea of what constitutes true happiness. It is not attained through self-gratification but through fidelity to a worthy purpose.</font> <font color="#4040ff">Helen Keller</font></em> ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim Graham <spooky130@cox.net> To: chile Heads <chile-heads@globalgarden.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:52:49 PM Subject: Re: [CH] Bumblebee Tuna and extracts... On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 03:44:35PM -0700, Dana H. Myers wrote: > Actually, for the most part, no, I don't think the "crap" in our food > is responsible these issues. Obesity and diabetes are almost certainly > not due to what's in our food, but the sheer quantity and type of food > we're stuffing in our faces, all the while becoming more sedentary. I would like to point one other cause of the former (don't know much about diabetes, except that my sugar levels have stayed on the low end of normal each time they've run that test along with the cancer-related stuff). That cause is cancer, cancer treatment, and related medications. I had gotten rather fat (from excessive consumption...no, I won't deny it). Then I woke up, and started losing weight (rather rapidly---in fact, the Senior Intelligence Officer---my boss's boss back then---was lightly chewing me out one day for losing weight TOO fast, due to the risk to my kidneys, if I remember right...I didn't care...7--10 lbs/week was just fine with me). I was almost down to my ideal weight when I was diagnosed with cancer. The first hit was from stress and anxiety. Next came nausea from chemotherapy, which severely limited what I could keep down (applesauce being the #1). Oh, and due to the chemo's impact on my immune system, fresh fruit (#2 on the tolerable list) was strictly off-limits. The applesauce wasn't too bad, though, and I didn't gain THAT much...yet. All of the above kept my activities severely limited. Skip forward to the next met. (a few months later): 3 brain tumors, triple brain surgery, and whole-brain full-dose radiation therapy. Meds include a steroid required to prevent swelling of my brain inside my skull. This steroid had two side effects that worked together to put a quick 60--70 pounds back in a very short time: 1) appetite out of control, and 2) (along with, not because of #1) extreme weight gain. I asked the doctor if there was any way to counter these effects...he said no, there wasn't, and sorry, but we absolutely must keep me on them. All the while, the cancer and the after-effects of treatment are making my energy levels drop like a stone through a wet paper bag ("I hate wet paper bags" --Marvin the Paranoid Android). Add troubles with Medicaid to the already expanding stress/anxiety levels, and add the pain in my skull from having it cut open (pain which has yet to go away)....all of which adds up to less ability to be active (even mental activity is limited). Now add to all of that the third met. (about a year from when I was first diagnosed), and the absolutely horrific chemo that followed. It destroyed every last bit of what was left of my energy levels and my ability to recharge (there are additional horrors that I'll skip---suffice to say that when my doctor said to expect the most horrible experience I could possibly imagine, he was making the world's biggest understatement; the pain was...no...I'm skipping that). It's been a almost a year (this time last year, I was in the middle of the most recent series of chemo cycles), and I'm still trying to lose this fscking weight that I swore (before this cancer sh*t) that I'd never, EVER gain back.... At least, this time, I know it was out of my control (I'm still pissed off about it, though). So don't automatically assume that someone's poor choices are the cause of their excess weight. I'd guess that that's true most of the time, but you simply can't tell just by looking (unless you see someone without a single hair on their body---including eyelashes and eyebrows, and a lot of extra body fat---you can then at least safely bet that they MIGHT be in the same sinking boat that I'm in). Sorry for the rant...but I had to point that out. -- 73 DE N5IAL (/4) MiSTie #49997 < Running FreeBSD 6.1 > spooky130@cox.net || j.graham@ieee.org ICBM/Hurr.: 30.39735N 86.60439W No, I'm not going to explain it. If you can't figure it out, you didn't want to know anyway... --Larry Wall