Thanks Tina and Doug, FYI, I have been chatting further with Mike Bowers and Dee Dee (who runs globalgarden) and we are seeing what can be done with list admin commands, Like Doug said, Mike is flat out with school term but will be popping in shortly to wright the ship a little. Which reminds me the poll must be nearly over, Results to be posted shortly. And Jim Graham, those instructions are perfect. And importantly will still be correct when the list admin is fixed. Can anyone who has a known set of the wrong instructions on their web pages please update, and if you dont have ANY, then by golly make it so! I'm doing just that this morning - spread the word , keep the faith...... ;-) Mark E. in Oz - Reservist, 2LT. Moderate Corp. ___________ zymurgia.com