My apologies for not replying sooner, but my long time picture storing site seems to have gone south & haven't answered my emails yet. So will try a freebie site and see what happens. Robert, My Caribbean Reds have never been all that hot either, but I did find an old seed package of the Red Savina. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/Love2Troll/RedSavinapkt.jpg And as Dave says, it was purchased at Wally World. I've kinda attributed my inability to grow really hot peppers to my container gardening & growing zone. Or perhaps lack of gardening skills. I'm also one of those people that does not believe that stress has any major impact on pod heat. And my Fatalii are definately orange & I assume are the same as Mike's. Here is a picture of some comparisons: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v454/Love2Troll/Pods8-8-04.jpg My first attempt at using this photo site so am hoping that the links work. My thanks to Paul The NorthEast ChileMan for the site recommendation. JohnT