> Parents aren't going to the store to specifically to buy some hot > sauce because they just came up with a brilliant plan for > discipline, they're using what they have in their cupboard. - You've lost me, sorry. How would that keep it from being abusive to hot-sauce a small child's mouth? If you hit a 3- or 4-year- old with a belt, would it make you any less a thug if it were one you bought for the purpose or one you had around? Look, I take Doug's point; I have nothing against reasonable discipline, even including a few not-terribly-hard swats on a school-age kid's bottom if that's really necessary after nonphysical methods haven't worked. But for the average kid that age, what you described is sadistic, and calling us killjoys for pointing that out, or implying we're "jackbooted PC police", doesn't render our point invalid. In fact, it doesn't even address it. Rain @@@@ \\\\\\ ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!