OK folks... Let's agree to disagree on this one. Might I suggest that any further discussion be taken off-list. Not that I'm list-cop or anything. I apologize for ever mentioning this article in the first place. Let's get back to the light hearted, fun to read, informative stuff we're used to seeing on this list. The subject of hot sauce as discipline/abuse has probably been taken as far as it can go without things getting REALLY ugly. Now I'm off to eat habs to repent... Jeff