Thanks for the thought Cardinal, but not so fast there... :-) Kinko's IS where I have them done. Matter of fact, I just had another 20 printed so if anyone needs one that didn't get one, fire away :-) I haven't sent them out to a ' poster printer' since that very first year- I learned THAT lesson REAL fast :-) In a normal year, I put back the proceeds from my retail plant sales (hardware stores, festivals, and such) and that usually covers the fields event. This year was an exception as I was out of town during that period. I apologize again for selling stuff at the event. I promise to do better next year :-P I don't mind the event costing me some. I've paid more money for less fun, I can assure you :-) I don't work this da*n hard at this business not to be able to do as I please occasionally. There are other folks that do what they can for the support of the group without complaint. I'm thinking of Jeff S & the chileheadsonline, Brad & Jeff on the poster work, Alex & Renee burning the CD's, all the FOOD that is brought to the event and so forth. We each do what we can :-) I solemnly promise that if the costs become great enough as to endanger the event, I will let folks know. Fair enough? :-) Abby survived the rafting. Within 30 seconds of putting into the river though, the entire raft (except the guide) got dumped into a sinkhole at the start of a rapids & two of the folks were injured. My wife thought it was a blast :-) -Jim C Mild to Wild(R) wildpepper.com There. That better? :-P