Re: so they painted an orange one? SSSHHH!!! That was supposed to be my secret :-) It wasn't 'they' it was me- they insisted on having red ones (Savina(R)) as part of the filming. I explained that that was abit tough in Indiana in February. When it looked like it might be a deal breaker, I promised them I'd have some that would pass muster ;-) Off to the store to find some regular orange ones, which can always be found, and.... Lesssee- award winning chili ingredients check list... Pliers, coat hanger, fire engine red enamal paint, hair dryer... -Jim http://www.StepUpForCharity.org