On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 04:07:09PM -0500, Cameron wrote: > At 1:05 PM -0600 2/17/08, Jim Graham wrote: > As a Chile-Head I think the level of sanitization needed for most > culinary purposes is below that which is required for marketing a > beverage, If said beverage is a particular favorite of mine, made from malted barley, hops yeast, and water (and every now and then, adjuncts such as wheat, oats, rye, and other stuff), you're absolutely right...the required level of sanitization is much higher. > albeit one which is around 5% alcohol and to that extent self > preserving. That's what made me stop reading and post this reply...I'll go back to reading after I send this one off.... It's true that, post-fermentation, beer (when kept away from oxygen) is an anaerobic environment with a pH that is hostile to most beer-spoiling bacteria. But, there's the ever-present threat from one of the biggest of the big nasties...Acetobacter. Anaerobic[1], feeds on alcohol to produce acetic acid (vinegar), and an absolute b*tch to remove from the brewery (or so I'm told...never had any experience with it, myself). Based on what I've heard, you're better off having wild yeast such as Brettanomyces roaming around in your brewery...at least then, at least if it's Bret. lambicus, you could add Pediococcus damnosus and, if you have the Belgian secret magic (just try and explain it any other way...even "art" doesn't explain it), you can combine these two normally horrible flaws and make a lambic.... Later, --jim [1] Note that Wikipedia says Acetobacter is aerobic, not anaerobic.... I've always read and been told just the opposite by brewers and brewing publications.... -- 73 DE N5IAL (/4) MiSTie #49997 < Running FreeBSD 6.1 > spooky130@cox.net || j.graham@ieee.org ICBM/Hurr.: 30.39735N 86.60439W My policy on spammers: "Castrate first, ask questions later."