G'day Doug, Your kind of missing the point a wee bit here. This issue comes up every couple of months, and has for the last 3-4 years. For the record, I am happy, I'm subscribed, I can post, and I like the format. In of itself, the list works ok. But I do EXPECT that Mike, be a active presence on the list, as I do any list-owner - I have several lists myself so I know what I babbling on about here. I do also EXPECT that if the list majordomo management scripts are screwy, that they be fixed ASAP. It's not rocket science(as Jim pointed out), and it is basic list management 101. That is what I EXPECT, and as a member of well over 10 years, you kind of get sick of the silent echo to concerns, that are not acted upon. I have no intention of jumping ship, but we need to make things better for our group. It is our duty. How can I help? Does anyone have Mike's current email, so I can go direct to the man wearing the pants? cheers Mark E. in Oz ___________ zymurgia.com On 17/06/2008, at 12:07 PM, Doug Irvine wrote: > Brent Thompson wrote: >>> I don't want to step on anyone's toes either but we need a better >>> system. >> What exactly is wrong with the current system, besides some >> subscription >> confusion from time-to-time? >> This e-mail system is fast and comes via a method I already must >> consult >> constantly for work, all day long. No extra time required to see >> these >> chile-heads e-mails means I have the time to see them. And >> everyone else >> who reads e-mail is also getting these e-mails delivered right >> where they >> already are reading, too. >> I personally very much dislike groups, including Yahoo groups, >> because in >> contrast to our current method, they are slower to read, slower to >> delete, >> slower and more inconvenient to search, etc., and also require >> various >> extraordinary steps that are inconvenient for me, such as logging >> into and >> checking some website that otherwise has nothing to do with my life. >> I don't think of myself as a Luddite just because I don't like >> slower, more >> inconvenient ways of doing something that already works well. >> --- Brent > > One and all! Mike has run HIS list since the 90's and barring a few > little problems along the way, has run it well and efficiently and I > for one would like to see it stay that way. And I do not think that > is a Luddite mentality either, just in the event that some think, > because of my advanced age, that I was around when the Luddites > were! So waht that globalgarden.com are sometimes a bit of a > problem, that server has worked well over all the years that Mike > has been using it, with some little blips, as I said. So, bear with > it. Just because a few are having a small problem, due to their > inability to remember where they are supposed to be if they un sub, > or how to get back if they do, is no reason to start a cry a furor > to get a new list. Be content with what you have. It works! > Cheers, then OLD Luddite like Brent:-))! Cheers, Doug in BC