Hi Mark...well, first off, I can sympathize with those who are having problems, albeit of mostly their own making. However, this c-h list has worked well for all these years, even prior to my coming to it in 1996-7 and ther are those who have been on longer. Many who were on the list have left, died, whatever, but some of us old stalwarts remain. I have helped more than a few get back on the list, simply by giving them the correct procedure. Mike Bowers established this list many years ago, and finally got a server who would work with him, after another big change quite a few years back, where he lost all the files, due to a failure not of his making. Mark, I was in no way being critical of your ideas, other than why change something that "aint broke"? It is only broke for those who insist in not using plain text, and who insist in using HTML. I do not use HTML, although as I have a Mac, and always have had, it is very simple to set it up that way. I also use Firefox and Thunderbird mail clients, and they also can use hyper text markup language, if I should so choose. I am on many other lists, hosted by Yahoo, About, etc., and would find it simple to switch. But that is not the point. As Don(Rael) pointed out in his inimitable fashion, it isn't broke, it isn't ours, let Mike deal with it is he thinks it needs fixing. My view? It doesn't! Cheers, old Doug in BC Canada