I do hear al the banging back and forth arguments. IMHO As a member for many years and not having any problems.Loving the. list dearly. It seems to me that the list has had problems for many many people as it is confusing (to some) and there is no presence of any person or contact to help. In fact "Mike" is mysterious figure behind a impersonal Major Domo ?? I think his postings have been very few and far between over the years. So I see nothing wrong in people who have problems asking for a review of procedures that are giving them problems. Instead being told that there is nothing wrong so get on with it. Maybe I had Luddites in my past.?? Tony Flynn ( almost 80 ) Granddad. Retired at the Beach. Bay of Plenty. New Zealand -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 3502 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len