On a number of lists that I have belonged to, both Chilehead and not, the topic of changing to a different host, system, forum, or email list provider comes up about once a year. Usually after a series of technical difficulties or minor glitches. There is always someone who offers right away to take on the responsibility of revamping everything and "doing things the right way." This generally brings on the two groups. Group one, usually the longtime members, typically starts in with the "I like things the way they are and we should never change a thing." Group two, quite often the newcomers to the group, begin their whining and complaining about how things "should" be done. Both groups have their valid points, and of course they can both be off base on osome things. In other groups this has led to a divisive power grab where someone decides that they want to run things and splits off a portion of the members and they go off and do their own thing for a while. Until they realize that starting a new group, or reworking an old one, is hard work and then THEY are on the receiving end of the complaints and bitching and moaning. I'm not saying this is what's going on in this group, and I certainly didn't take Mark Ellis's offer to host a mail group as a "power grab" or anything of that kind. I myself have offered to do the same for another similar group. I just wanted to make sure people were aware that these discussions happen on many different groups and that we shouldn't let our disagreements as to the handling of administrative crap interfere with the continuation of the group. I'd hate to see a group like this break apart. I looked back and found that the earliest post I can find myself making in the archives was January 1st, 1998. I know I was here before then but don't know where or if the archived posts are available any farther back. I'd kind of like to see the group continue for another few years or so as I've learned a lot from this group and like to think I've give something back over the years. I think discussions like this are healthy but wanted to warn others to keep things constructive. Jeff