FWIW I co-own a few groups at Yahoo We have a few different moderators, One that takes care of a seed bank, we had one that did birthday announcements, etc. The co-owners Moderate all new members, after a new member post a few messages s/he is taken off moderation. A few trouble causers that want to do politics on a garden group remain moderated. When a person posts that is moderated, the post has to wait till a moderator "wakes up" to release the post. I tried to sub to this group using Yahoo mail, Yahoo adds 3 or 4 lines of spam after the message, CH won't accept that. I am using an older Mozilla Suite, when I try to mail some thing It asks "Plain Text", "Plain text and HTML" or "HTML only" MSN I thought that they would only accept members using hotmail and other mail was rejected My attempts to post, I cut an paste part of the message and sent it to "Chile Heads <chile-heads@globalgarden.com>" Seems to work for me. B.