Thanks Mark Great Idea. Bill >>> Mark Ellis <mark@zymurgia.com> 6/17/2008 6:43 PM >>> OK people, I wasn't going to go any further on this, but since I created a ruckus, I think we need to be more focussed instead of rambling along. I have created a webpoll which seems to cover the basics of what we are discussing. Lets all please cast our votes and then we can say that we have the majority view down pat. We can certainly run a supplementary vote after the results of this one, if we need further clarification. It is open till 20/06 - you have 3 days. http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/344383 cheers Mark E. in Oz ___________ zymurgia.com