Okay, I re-read the post from Jeff and it was clearing stated that CaJohn's salsa was first, Global Warming took the rest. I somehow got my eyes crossed and put the wrong name on the wrong line...or something like that. Glad to know there are CHers making moderate brews, however. That warms the cockles of my heart. By the way, does anyone know WHERE one's heart cockles are located. Doug....you should know this one since Marie's been warming yours for many years ;^) SandyO CH #1146 of the moderate persuasion