david wrote: > Now, I am > still pondering how well they last in this hot, humid and rainy > climate. I > know they will eventually decay out in the open, but they sure do > resist it > for a long time. > > Any ideas as to the make-up of the shell that contributes to this> David, There are at least three plausible reasons why thick shelled Lagenaria gourds may last a long time even under humid conditions. I have just done a little qualitative analysis to report on your question, but please note that my method of tasting on occasion the results of experiments arises only when I am convinced after reading science books that it is safe to do so! Mostly structural components of flowering plants are cellulose or lignin. Cellulose is a polymer of glucose units, and is fairly resistant to decay from microorganisms and fungi but eventually will succumb. Lignin is a polymer of 9 carbon units that include aromatic rings, and is found in wood. Presumably wood-like things like gourd shell and peach seed walls are also likely to have lignin. Does anyone know how we can tell lignin from cellulose? Lignin is no infallible deterrent against attack by fungi, but certain woods are less affected , presumably because they contain certain resins - redwood, for example is widely used as a building material in California and lasts longer than other woods. People who pyroengrave woods report on resins in gourd shell, and these may contribute to the effect. Certain grasses and woods contain high concentrations of silica, which makes them hard on tools. However gourd wood is not known for this and I doubt that silica is a significant reason for resistance to decay. My experiment was to take a small piece of gourd shell and burn it fully to ashes. It was from a Bushel gourd, about a quarter inch in thickness, and fairly dense, strong and good quality as far as gourd shells go. The gourd had been green-skinned and left to dry so that moisture containing solutes had evaporated on its surface. If silica had been a major constituent of the gourd shell then there would have been a copious quantity of insoluble ash left behind. There was plenty of light gray ash after burning, however after dissolving the soluble components in water there was only a tiny quantity of gritty stuff left which would be probably be silica. This does not mean that one should not wear masks with gourd dust, as Old Jim suggests, only that silica is probably not the reason for gourd shell longevity. The ash tasted very strongly - probably of potassium carbonate - and Becky has suggested adding potassium sulfate towards the end of the gourd season for healthy plants and big fruit. The large quantity of salts in the gourd shell are likely the results of the moisture evaporating on the surface. Obviously there is not likely to be a strong chemical fungal inhibitor in gourd shell, because numerous molds grow on the surface during curing. These fungi are probably aerobic and put out their spores on the surface; however it would be interesting to know how much their hyphal filaments penetrate the shell. Certain woods are frequently attacked by fungi. However these have vascular bundles, which contain plenty of air, and may also allow for more penetration. A microscopic examination of gourd shell may show structures that are either too dense to be easily penetrated; contain too little air for profuse fungal growth, or are the incorrect shape for penetration. All this raises more questions than asked previously - but as a major traditional use of gourds was as liquid vessels that kept their contents cool through evaporation it would be worthwhile to find the answers! Owen