Hi Lillian: Thanks again for the thorough reply to my questions. I am very interested in trying some of the veggie forms if you find the source's address. In the meantime, I will look for interesting glass bottles. Now it makes sense about the form being clear. I was thinking from another angle about the gourd needing sunlight, etc. Completely ignored the fact that I would not know when it was 'full'. Duh!!!! I guess one thing to take into consideration in the process is the size potential of the gourd also. A gourd with large potential in a form that is too small will fill the space before it is mature and if removed before maturity, will not harden, right? Your observations about the 'baby fuzz' on immature gourds really makes sense to me too. I need to take more time observing and less time thinking sometimes. I will look forward to the info on the forms when you have time to look for it. I have boxes of stuff I have 'saved for reference' and I'd hate someone to ask me to find an item stored in one of them. Yikes! I am so excited about this year. And it is nearly planting time here according to my county agent - sometime between February 2 and Sept. 2! Thanks again. PS What state are you in Lillian?