<Well now, the golfing and schmoozing I can handle (though sometimes not even moderately well, depending on the day...) but I have more of an eye for art criticism than any actual talent / ability. I can handle rough design ideas, and maybe some detail tweaks later on, but don't ask me to draw anything freehand. Jeff said to keep him in mind, so I say let's go with a proven winner. -- Erich C-H # 2099 & First Lieutenant, or Major, or something, of the Moderate Corps> I totally agree, Lt. Major! Problem is that Jeff is an excellent artist; we are a moderate group. Do you think he can dumb down his designs to only moderately good ;^) Or should be be elevated to an excellent group of moderates? Or a moderately excellent group? Oh, what a dilemma! But, I know we will all rise to the occasion and the resulting T-shirt will be a sought after item, bringing moderates out of the chile patch and into the sun, no longer afraid to declare their preferences. We will proudly stand and display our colors. Today, T-shirts, tomorrow, flags and banners to use in various public displays of support of...whatever moderates support. Like crushed chile flakes, Tabasco sauce, chipoltes, cornflakes (I want to be on the front of a cornflake box before I die). SandyO CH #1146, and Grand Poobah of the Moderate Corps