I totally agree, Lt. Major! Problem is that Jeff is an excellent artist; we are a moderate group. Do you think he can dumb down his designs to only moderately good ;^) Or should be be elevated to an excellent group of moderates? Or a moderately excellent group? Oh, what a dilemma! But, I know we will all rise to the occasion and the resulting T-shirt will be a sought after item, bringing moderates out of the chile patch and into the sun, no longer afraid to declare their preferences. We will proudly stand and display our colors. Today, T-shirts, tomorrow, flags and banners to use in various public displays of support of...whatever moderates support. Like crushed chile flakes, Tabasco sauce, chipoltes, cornflakes (I want to be on the front of a cornflake box before I die). SandyO CH #1146, and Grand Poobah of the Moderate Corps Alright Sandy! Way to rally the troops... or was that more of a rant? ;-) Anyway, your true leadership skills are surfacing now. Maybe Jeff can help you out with that Cornflakes box dream. Can the rest of the troops be behind you in the photo? Just don't make us bow, 'k? -- Erich C-H # 2099 & First Major Lieutenant of Moderateness