Funny this should come up just now, since home brewing is my latest passion.. well wine really, I've grown tired of most beers, except for some Russian Imperia Stouts Chapitalised to 11+% ABV abd extra bittering and flavor hops... I have settled on a cleaning product called PBW and a sanitizer called Star-San... Both are availible from 5-Star Chemical. Easy and quick and cheap..... all the good things, in one. -- V/R John G. Drinking a home-made Amarone which was bulk aged in glass for year and aged in a medium toast, Zemplen Forrest Hugarian Oak barrel for 6 months. (And we don't talk about the neighbors cat and Duct Tape, anymore ;-)