Well, =Mark.. I beg to differ with you re: Yahoogroups. I belong to several and we very often get 'yahoohoozled' but mail that doesn't arrive, arrives days after it's posted, changes by Yahoo! that are annoying, such as a 'new and improved' version of the lists which is no improvement IMHO. I like Yahoo! groups and I own two but...I don't think it is problem-free by any means. I, too, would like a more active or hands-on moderator but I also know that, over the years I've belonged to this list, Mike B. has helped with problems and fixed what needed to be fixed several times. Where life has taken him now...well that may be the issue. Perhaps he's simply too busy to tend to this list and knows the people here are pretty self-sufficient so he allows us to monitor ourselves. Just my moderate 2 cents worth ;^) SandyO CH #1146