Hi Lillian: I don't know if you realize how you started my morning when I opened the digest - with deep chuckles and intense interest. I don't know you personally, but if you are not already, you SHOULD be a writer with your subtle and dry wit and thorough information. Your style is not only informative, but most pleasurable reading and I will read it over and over just for fun too. I think I understand it now. This is our first year to even try gourds and we are putting in a big field. Our county agent knows nothing about gourds or - even about pumpkins in this county. " If you cain't ride it or rope it" in this country, - "It ain't nothin". So that is what I deal with here in these parts. When I called the agent yesterday to ask the last frost date he said " Whal, I think it is February 2." I told him I didn't think so and he said "Whal, maybe its sometime in March or April - Guess you'll just have to experiment". Geeeeeesh! I have another question: Is there anywhere to get information on how to tie knots - or should I say 'when' in long gourds or encourage them to grow into interesting patterns - such as a coiled snake, etc. You mentioned in the last post that you could knot them when young. Can you actually 'tie them in a knot' at this stage? Also If I wanted to have some grow in a mold does the mold have to be clear or can it be opaque? Sorry for all the questions. I do appreciate the reply.