See, they do it all wrong. You make the threat of making one a gelding right before you race the horse, then watch him go! Personally, I'm pretty sure I could out pace any man, beast, motorized vehicle, etc. if you threaten The Boys. Whooooosh! Of course, aside from that, maybe a habanero up Habanero's wazoo? Not that I condone ill treatment of ani-mules or anyone/-thing else, but... Peace, Hendrix, and Chiles....... Rael64 At one time they tied Mr Studly's twins with a piece of twine, He hurried faster to the finish line to get that twine removed Also remember at the track was the first Windows to take people L.B.